CEOs of Wells Fargo and Pfizer caution the U.S. could lose its edge to China without innovation

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Albert Bourla, CEO of Pfizer, Charlie Scharf, Wells Fargo & Company CEO and Kathy Warden, Northrop Grumman Chair & CEO talk during the Invest successful America Forum connected Oct. 15, 2025.

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Wells Fargo CEO Charlie Scharf and Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla sounded the alarm Wednesday implicit the imaginable for the the U.S. to suffer its competitory borderline to China, but said artificial quality could assistance America support its lead.

Speaking astatine CNBC's inaugural Invest successful America Forum successful Washington, D.C., the 2 executives said that portion the U.S. inactive leads successful galore sectors, inconsistent argumentation and underinvestment is ceding crushed to China. AI, they said, poses some risks and benefits for the U.S. economy.

Scharf said AI volition apt reduce the size of workforces — but volition boost productivity.

"We volition apt person little people, absolutely," Scharf said. "When we look astatine the tools that we've implemented conscionable for radical that are coding, you spot 20%, 30%, 40% betterment successful coders. We haven't reduced our caput number by 20%, 30% oregon 40%. We're really doing much than we different would person been capable to do."

Wells Fargo large slope peers similar JPMorgan and Goldman Sachs are already hiring less people due to the fact that of AI advancements.

Scharf besides said the fiscal assemblage is poised for large regulatory changes contempt an ongoing governmental stalemate successful Washington.

"We yet bash expect important changes successful superior requirements, liquidity requirements," helium said. "We bash expect to spot changes which volition let radical successful the industry, not conscionable large banks and medium-sized banks, but smaller banks arsenic well, to bash much successful these [local] communities."

Bourla, meanwhile, expressed interest astir China's increasing spot successful biotechnology and pharmaceuticals, pointing to a surge successful probe and improvement spending, regulatory reforms and a nationalist strategy focused connected beingness sciences.

"They [China] filed much patents this twelvemonth than the U.S.," Bourla said. "That's ne'er happened successful history. Five years ago, the divided was 90%-10%. ... The spread is closing, but they astir apt volition go [better than us] unless we get our enactment together."

Bourla urged the U.S. to displacement absorption from trying to dilatory China's advancement toward improving its ain productivity and innovation.

"We walk much clip trying to deliberation astir however to dilatory down China alternatively than deliberation however we tin go amended than them," Bourla said. "We request to person regulatory changes here. We request to person stability. Tariffs and pricing was not helping."

Pfizer recently agreed to a cause pricing deal with the Trump medication arsenic portion of a broader effort to region long-standing uncertainties astir pricing, Medicaid reimbursements and distribution. As portion of the agreement, Pfizer secured a three-year exemption from pharmaceutical-specific tariffs, contingent connected further investments successful U.S. manufacturing. 

"Tariffs and the uncertainty of drastic correction of U.S. pricing — with this deal, we are removing some uncertainties," Bourla said Wednesday.

He besides called artificial quality the adjacent frontier for medicine, predicting that AI volition revolutionize cause find by dramatically accelerating timelines for uncovering treatments for diseases similar Alzheimer's and cancer.

"We tried for years to find cures ... AI volition marque it happen," Bourla said.

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